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Features
Pit vs Bully - Once and for All

Story // Dave Wilson  Photographers // Eric Motanez, Eric "Ptah" Herbert

 

American Bully AKA "Bully"?

The quick answer is: An American Bully is a spin off the American Pit Bull Terrier. The same lineage and blood, but bred for generations for a different purpose and look. To understand this, you must first know some history behind the foundation breed and its directions.

The "Pit Bull" was a dog that came to form in the late 1800's. The purpose of this breed was to be the ultimate competitor. The breed was created for the sport of dog fighting, which for hundreds of years was a legal sport, celebrated by even the elite in society These dogs were bred to never waver in the heat of battle, hence the term "gameness." This term means to have the will to go on no matter what obstacles have to be overcome, even fatigue, and to never mentally quit or give up.

This "gameness" was the main trait bred into the breed. Another main trait was the breeds stability with people. The breed was so human tolerant that it would never bite the hand of a person, even in the heat of a match. This trait was bred into the breed to protect handlers and referees from getting bit while in a match. The breed was created to be the ultimate gladiator, but never to harm a human, thus the breed was never meant to have any human aggression.

The breed increased in size when it came to the US, and later adopted the final name of " The American Pit Bull Terrier". They used American in the name, because America is where the first registry created for the breed was formed. They used "Pit" in the name, because this was the name of the arena used in the sport they were created for. They used the word "Bull" in the name, because a "Bulldog" type was used in the creation of the breed. They used the word "Terrier" in the name, because a "Terrier" type breed was also used in the creation of the breed. A "Bulldog" type was used for power, build, and stability. A "Terrier" type was used for its tenacity and agility.

The first American Pit Bull Terriers were introduced for breed registration and acknowledgement to the only registry at that time, The American Kennel Club or "AKC." The AKC denied the breeds acceptance in its registry because the breed had no written breed standard; physical criteria that a breed should posses, written standards and descriptions of such. At this time the only trait heavily desired was "gameness." Since the AKC denied the breed to its registry, a new registry was formed, The United Kennel Club or "UKC." The UKC was created solely for this breed, and as years went on, a standard was written for the breed and adopted by the UKC.

There were still breeders who wanted the breed recognized by the AKC, so they decided to take lines from the breed and breed them in their own direction. They bred them for the purpose of companionship, and for the sport of conformation competition. Conformation competition is a show where the dogs are judged on their physical traits, movement, and handling, according to the written breed standard. These breeders wrote a new standard based on the one used by the UKC, and they continued to breed these dogs for 70 more years. Because of this the breed had changed in appearance and temperament. This spin off the original "Pit Bull" was no longer used for competition fighting, so their personalities, temperaments, and builds changed. This new breed was given the name "The American Staffordshire Terrier" or "Am. Staff". The AKC accepted the breed and now considers this a new breed of its own, and separate from the "Pit Bull". The UKC; however, accepts these Staffs as Pit Bulls and will allow them to be single registered with their registry as "Pits".

Dog fighting became outlawed in the 19th century in the US, and the UKC changed its purpose and standards for the breed. A group of the breeders of the game lines left this registry and created another registry called "The American Dog Breeders Association", or "ADBA". For generations these three registries all recognized the breed for different purposes and different standards, so the breed changed and spawned into different directions.  Nowadays, the breed has been used for different types of conformation shows, weight pulling, companionship, and some even still breed the original game dogs. Due to these many directions, the breed has changed and spawned into many different forms and personalities, which brings us to where we began with Pit vs. Bully…

About seventeen years ago I started breeding to create the Razors Edge line… I started with a foundation of the AKC registered "Staffs", they carried the heavier builds, larger heads, and more mellow demeanors. We crossed in lines from UKC registered "Pits" to add more muscularity, more drive, and a harder look. After about seven years of blending and selective breeding, we came out with the look and personality that we were striving for. These dogs carried large blocky heads, short and square muzzles, full body muscularity, heavier bone structure, and just all around physically powerful builds. The personality was still to be stable and docile towards humans, but we also washed out a lot of the dog aggression that the original blood carried. In our minds we had created the ultimate companion dog.

These dogs had to be registered with the UKC, because it was the only registry that acknowledged all the spawns as the same breed. So we began competing in the UKC conformation shows. The dogs did very well and in time were given a slang name called "Bullies". This name was given basically to describe their build and the thicker look of the style. In time, "Bully" bloodlines spawned all over the US.

Razors Edge was just one of many of the "bully" lines. Other "bully" lines that are popular are: Greyline, Gottiline, Gaff, Watchdog, Camelot, DeLaCruz, Butthead, Royal, Kaos, Gangus Kahn, and many more. Even the Razors Edge bloodline spawned into other Bully lines like Remyline and Shortyline. A new look and style had formed, and its popularity spread worldwide The "Bullies" had began to make their own name and place within the breed. The love for the "Bullies" spread way beyond the UKC conformation show world. In time, the show world pushed for a direction that did not favor the "Bully" style. This left a large group of extremely diverse people, who were left with nowhere to compete and show off their dogs.

In 2003, a concept for a new registry was created for the purpose of the promotion, registration, and competition of this style of the breed, the "Bullies". Fanciers of the "Bullies" were already gathering in large numbers at BBQ style events. People from all over, and of all races would get together and host BBQ style events for the "Bullies". This provided a more relaxed atmosphere, usually with DJ's playing music, people barbequing , vendors selling "Bully" paraphernalia and gear; and breeders, owners, and fanciers of the dogs in the hundreds. These gatherings drew in large amounts of people, and especially Bullies.

A new registry was formed to accommodate these people and their dogs, so they had a way to compete with their style of dog. The registry decided to use the slang name already given to this style, "Bullies"; but, they also decided to add the name "American" to the title. This was to properly represent the nation of the breed's origin. The breed now was given the formal name, "The American Bully". The kennel club registry used the name, "The American Bully Kennel Club", or "ABKC". Now the breed had a name, a registry, and a way to compete! The biggest part of the "American Bully" goes beyond the dogs, and is the life style surrounding the breed and events. The "Bullies" now have a following worldwide, and Expo style events for these dogs bring in spectators by the thousands. The "Pit Bull" has been part of the urban world for decades now, but the American Bully is making its name as a new face in this world.  You can see them featured on CD covers, music videos, and even magazine such as this one, which was created for the breed and the lifestyle.


The main differences between the "Pit" and the "Bully" are hard to state as facts, because there are many different style to the "Pit". So, we will us a general comparison using the generic form of the "Pit". Basically, an every day back yard "Pit Bull"

Head: The head of the typical "Pit" is somewhat blocky and should have some cheek structure. The "Bully" should have a nice size head, on the large side, with sculpted head, muzzle, and protruding cheek structure...
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bradley jones
holding it down for the breed.this was very informitive and all the people who critize the breeds should read this.they should also see how these dogs have brought peaple together who would otherwise......
BULLYFIED KENNELS
HELL YEAH...ATOMIC DOGG SHUT IT DOWN WITH THIS ONE....MUCH PROPS !!
THOMAS TRUECRIME
BAD ASS WEBSITE..ABOUT FREAKIN TIME!!.. YOU GUYS KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!! AND CONGRATS ON THE SITE...ITS AWESOME!!..
Kaotic99
Thats the way you set the haters straight. Keep up the good work!
Razor Edge For Life
Jimmy Bermudez n the valle Cal
i love what this is doing for the Breed
i own two Bullies & wish a could have more!...thanks Atomic Dog
Barry Blondes
Orale, Bully's are cool but we keep it OG in East Los Angeles with the Pits.

newestra
FOWLERS BULLIES
I love this article. This teaches the real way this badd ass breed came about instead of people just guessing at how the breed was designed. Maybe if everyone would read this there would be less negative hype about these awesome dogs
HUBCITYFATS
FOR EVERYBODY THAT HAS THE MISCONCEPTION OF THESE LOVELY CREATURES YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR MISSING.. YOU CAN'T JUDGE WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
BUT I GUESS SOME OF YOU DON'T WILL NEVER KNOW!!!
Amy McArthur
Thanks so much for the info. Just got an 89% RE pup and really did'nt know what I had until know. He is blue and beautful!!!!
Amy McArthur
Thanks so much for the info. Just got a blur 89% RE pup and reallu didnt know until know what I had. He is buff and beautiful!
Amy McArthur
Thanks for the info. Just got a blue 89%RE pup. He is buff and beautiful!
irondogpits
The article is great...interesting, well written but above all....INFORMATIVE from beginning to end. Great job Dave....not only for the article but for being one of the pioneers of the "BULLY" movement. It is here and here to Stay! Peace out, and remember to keep it Bully.
irondogpits
Also...BIG props to Atomic Dogg Magazine for their participation and media coverage on the "BULLY" movement. Always in the heart of things...keep up the great job....it is very much appreciated.
Charles
B.S.!!!

What you left out is what other breeds were crossed in (Dogue de Bordeaux. MAstiff, etc..) in creating the american bully. Look, the Am staff was about 70 pounds, maybe 80--the real, true AOPBT was aroung 55, maybe 60-65 pounds for a larger one. You tell me that by line breeding and crossing the two, you now get a lazy, fat 120+ pound hippo---ok, whatever you say playboy!
joe
This is a grest article to inform people on the origin of the pitbull and the bullies. maybe if people actually took the time to read up on the history we wouldnt have so many pitbull related incidents ya dig,but keep it gansta and im looking forward to reading up on your next article.
strongarm kennels
alot of people should read this. its very informative. alot can be learned
strongarm kennels
Everyone that stereotypes these breeds should read this it will change alot of peoples opinions on our new style of bullies. and quit associating them so closely with pitbull terriers of before
www.strongarmkennel.com
chris
jamaicangraff
dats sum deep shit Get ya knowledge on!!! I love this breed
HUBCITYFATS
WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEIR OPINION ABOUT THE THE BREED, BUT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO IT.
BUT THEY WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THIS BEAUTIFUL BREED UNTIL THEY TAKE THE TIME TO GET TO KNOW IT!!
YOU CAN'T JUDGE WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW!GIVING MAD PROPS TO ATOMIC DOGG THEY PUT IT DOWN AT THE BULLY EXPO 08!!
just someone
because this is a new breed why not get credit for it and stop tring to convence people that they are pit bulls
pit bull lover and new america
I agree with the comment above. Plus I rescue pit bulls and mixes and I came across one of these american bullys at an LA shelter and brought him home and he has been the best dog I've ever met! The sad thing is it turned out this dog has cancer:( Breeders please pay close attention to the health of the dogs you breed.
Genaro201
Good Info on the American Bully. Now is the time for the American Bully to not only be introduced to the rest of the world but to be loved and accepted by the rest of the world !

Genaro
just someone
hey just to let all my fans know i'm pitman101 so just hit me up on here if you have any questions about PitBulls
david swan
The ADBA was started in the 1890's also he failed to mention the fact about open stud books from all 3 registry's and the AKC only closed it stud book for staffs in the 60's as for the current bully's lets keep it real a lot of them have bulldog and neo mastiff in them with dogue De Bordeaux if any one would like to call me a lair i open for dna test been breeding carver rick sorrel pitol pete blood for years best to speak the truth
game2dbone
dont be mistaken here guys i am not a hater here, american bullies are great in there own way,style and built.. but i think to much sugar coating there on the article.. strait fact that it is (Am.Bullies)bred for 15-20 yrs and pitbulls are atleast 100yrs of gametested,battle scared lines that is the true feature and basis of the pitbull breed... and i am glad that the american bullies are known already!just call them american bullies.. not pitbulls

JMHO-
pitman101
yeah, you are insulting very respectable dogmen by calling these mutts PIT BULLS. men that have dedicated their lives to give us dead game bull dogs(dogmen know why i use the term bull dogs)just come clean and stop calling them pit bulls
"DESERT CITIES FINEST BULLIES
POKE-MON LOOKING FIRME!!!!!!!!
"DESERT CITIES FINEST BULLIES
FUCK DA DRAMA...love them bullies(pits)
ghost
f&#k what anybody says about bullies not certified as pits.bullies are a way of life now,you could see them all over the world now,so dont hate on the breed or the breeders.or dont get jelous of the bullies because these dogs are pitbullies.this breed is a way of culture for people LA,NV,MEXICO,UHTA,NM
,TX,MIAMI,ATL,NY,and
all other states and countries.And CALIFORNIA PERIOD.keep up the bullies.GHOST
j. taka
Greetings everyone! I have just read some of the comments. I am not a hater of the bullies. I have friends who have these dogs and they are good dogs as far as companions, but there is a reason why the pit was called a pit bull. They were bred for one thing and one thing only. All of you know what that is. If its not bred for that purpose than you don't have a pit bull. If there's any disagreement there is only one way to prove it.
zack
i dont like bullies. never have, never will. they arent APBT's so please dont called them that.

call them "american bullies" or something thatlike
Anonymous
im sure people apparently know the difference so stop with the drama and what are you doing on here any ways you apparently dont like the american bully breed this site is for people who lvoe the american bully breed i my self no the diffrent and well educated and up to date with the diffrent standards it is what is hate it or lvoe it
anonymous
its so funny with the names you give these bullies; razors edge, gotti, etc. like they are tough gangster dogs. in reality, they are a bunch of cur (quiting) dogs. if you want to stop the drama, stop calling them pits.
poly in LBC
THANK YOU FOR THE DEFINITION:
THIS "BULLY LINE" IS RIDICULOUS-
THE APBT IS ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING DOG BREEDS IN THE WORLD AND NOW ITS BEING CREATED INTO THIS DISCUSTING MONSTER-LOOKING OF A CREATURE, (IT CANT POSSIBLY BE AS HEALTHY AND AS AGILE AS THE.."PIT BULL" ITS AN INSULT TO BE SOCIALIZED ) CALL ME A HATER, IT DSNT MATTER! STOP DISRESPECTING THE PIT BULL-AND JUST REMEMBER HOW YOUR PRECIOUS BULLY LINE WAS CREATED..."THE AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER"

POLY PRIDE -
calvin owens
what does razor edge mean?
Terri
As a breeder of Crenshaw and Hemphill/Wilder lines, and someone who strives to breed correct to ADBA standard American Pit Bull Terriers, it saddens me to see "Bully" dogs confused with true APBTs. It wouldn't be such a problem if Bully breeders would call them American Bullies, but they refuse, and then get crappy with gameline breeders, like their overweight, bulky, crazy looking dogs were the original! It's not about hating the Bullies, or the Bully breeders, it's about standard. They are NOT in standard for the APBT, therefore they are NOT APBTs! Call them what they are, and there would be no problems!
co
so are bullies small & chubie looking?
and are APBT tall and sturdy.
Marcel
To write about the development of this breed without mentioning they other dogs involved to make the different lines of bullies, is wrong. This breed can have the name American Bullies, but they are not true APBT's, by any way shape, form, or temperament. I have no problem with the breed itself just call it what it is.

The American Bulldog breeders did the same thing using exaggerated fairy-tales of how the breed came to be, and just now are some breeders being honest to their development. The founders of the Bullies need to be forthcoming and not fall into the same traps the AB founders did. At least David Levitt was honest on how he developed OEB.

If you believe this article as it is written, then you truly have a lot to learn about this and the development of all breeds in the bull breed family. I believe Dave Wilson is using slight truth's and not speaking to the reality that other breeds where added to some extent.
r33zy
keep the bullies ckomin...4get about these haters
no one important
Allow me to puke real quick....

I think this may be the first thing some who commented have read. WOO! It didnt say much about anything.

Just call them what they are. They arent pitbulls.
king_chavo
first of all the people that keep saying all the shyt about the other breeds that were used in the making of the american bully must be the most ignorant people in the game the american pit bull was bred threw like terms the in example bull= bull dog and terrier = fuk you get the picture do some research and youll see that the original pibull came to be by way of mixing a mastiff a bull dog and other shit together there is no real way of telling what the liniage was in england or ireland due to the fact that breeders kept the breeding lines secret i guess youd call it an advantage because no one could remake your dog any one who takes the dogs yoused to remake the breed to critisize is a fukn hypacrit remember where your "real pit bull" came from because most of the dogs if any that were yoused to remake the american pit bull were used to make the original and if you wanna get all technical the standerd is just a guideline its not to the xact before the regisrys came along ther...
kelly and taylor fox
we have 2 pits and no matter what anyone says they will forever and always be the best dog that was ever created we love and will protect the breed with everything in us
kelly and taylor fox
and for the record pitbulls is a cross between american bulldogs and bull terriers read your lit on the breed they get the look from the american bull and the temperment from the bull terrier and the build is a cross of them both we resercheed them before we got one
richelle
it was an ok article but i think they would do well to do more research on the history. AKC didnt accept them because the name "pit bull" referred to the fighting background and added them once the name was changed to Am Staff to hide the history. There was already a breed standard and AKC used a Colby dog as their figure for the standard which he was a UKC American Pit Bull Terrier. For awhile AKC had open stud book or UKC dogs as well to help the breed. Am Staff and APBT are the same dog, different name. Otherwise UKC wouldnt recognize them as both. AKC is just to political in their ways with dogs. Also with the size, weight, and temperment of the true APBT there is no way they can be turned to the "Bullies" without out crossing to other breeds. True APBTs are supposed to have dog aggression and making them into body builder super passive dogs is against what the dog was origionaly for. Most i have seen can barely walk due to their size without getting out of br...
justin
ther is no comparing a genetic mistake to a dog that has 200 years of proper breeding leave it hip hop and ingnorant people to ruin the best thing there is no spin off to the only american pit bull terrier and if the dog is of so called bully lines then it is a mix

if breeders r not gonna follow the standard set by the club they reg with then they r liers and should not be allowed to breed and ruin a breed that was perfected over a 100 years ago what the fuck is a bully a worthless pos that cant even be shown in the ukc or survive a show

im so happy that i was taught how to breed by the best breed and will never make the mistakes other people seem to be so pround they made fuck bully bunch a bully shit crappy ass dogs
HP BULLIES
this article is one of the best articles i have ever read.People who are ignorant to this breed should really read this article,and open their eyes to the new era of pit bulls THE AMERICAN BULLY,and understand that this is not a hobby this is a way of life.Much love to atomic dogg.KEEP IT BULLY BABY!!!
Anonymous
A P B T The best there is, The best there was, The best there ever will be!
559Luck1
For all haters and lover it is what it is hate it or love it i love both game style dogs and american bullies I like what I like and u like what u like I might like M.Jordan and u might like L.Bird so like i said it is what it is u dont like it then step the fuck off. walk and walk the fuck on my e-mail is mr.sin666@hotmail.com anything ya wanna say halla and yeah I got bully dogs
kuttymac
bullys is the shit . we needed somthing like this to save the breed shout out to atomic dog for everything and all apbt and the american bullly breeders out there lets keep the production up...keep the bullys with the bullys and gamers with the gamers...
rapbuzz.tv
myspace.com/kuttymac its a bully take over Hawg pound kennels...SHOUT OUT TO THE AMERICAN BULLY BREED 4 STRUCTURE AND HEAD WITH THE DEEP CHEST..RAY CERTIFIED GOT SOME HEAT , RICHARD BARAJAS, GOT SOME HEAT, DAVE WILSON GOT SOME HEAT, ED SHEPARD GOT SOME HEAT, ZEN STYLE GOT SOME HEAT BIG BOI FROM OUTKAST GOT SOME HEAT
RAZOR SHARP ,GOT SOME HEAT BLUE LINE GOT SOME HEAT, ITS MORE HEAT BUT ILL BE HEAR ALL DAY, SHOUT OUT TO THOSE CALIBER OF KENNELS THATS EVEN COMPETITING ...BULLYS AINT GOIN NO WHERE.
Ciller B
Without the cropping of the ears a Bully would better resemble an English Bulldog than a pitbull, and in a fight (real purpose of a pitbull) a bully would colapse 5-10 min into the fightand DIE! The bully looks awesome but thats it all bark like the owners of them, and absolutely NO bite! Ketch Me on the street Homie> or my dog and see what happens!
Six Pacc
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Chako
U Can't Be Made @ Those Who Fight For The More Traditional APBT..I Kinda Like The Way The Bully Looks! I Have An APBT From Our Qualified Breeders..More Info About Me & Ours Soon But All I Can Say Is For Everybody To Step Your Knowledge Up About The History Of This Noble Animal..The Unity Is Beautiful! Don't Be Mad @ The Bully..- Micah Representing My APBT "Chako"
michele mor
i love the history of this great dogs, i hope things start to change now on and peopl eundsteand once for all that there is no bad dog, only ignorant and worthless owner.

greetings all friends
Rachel
Wow, Wanted to say Thank you to ATOMIC DOGG, Me and my hubby read this, We agree with..
poly in LBC
THANK YOU FOR THE DEFINITION:
THIS "BULLY LINE" IS RIDICULOUS-
THE APBT IS ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING DOG BREEDS IN THE WORLD AND NOW ITS BEING CREATED INTO THIS DISCUSTING MONSTER-LOOKING OF A CREATURE, (IT CANT POSSIBLY BE AS HEALTHY AND AS AGILE AS THE.."PIT BULL" ITS AN INSULT TO BE SOCIALIZED ) CALL ME A HATER, IT DSNT MATTER! STOP DISRESPECTING THE PIT BULL-AND JUST REMEMBER HOW YOUR PRECIOUS BULLY LINE WAS CREATED..."THE AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER"
JOE
YEAH YEah YEAH!!! its goin' down - I gotta breeding with LIL RIZZY!!! private breeding coming up with razors edge bodega female - gonna be a KILLA breeding
fReD
i want to know why they used that dog an example of the pit. you cant really compare poKemOn to that dog. he makes the pit look like a sissy lalah! they could have used a different dog. at least one that had his ears cropped or has a really game look. some, but not all of these bully people think its okay to downplay or "hate" on the ancestors of their own dogs. a true dogman would be able to appreciate a good dog regardless of the style "bully" or "game"
fReD
oH yEaH!!! the bully movement is great or whaaaateeeever. but bully blood is so far from a pitbulls that this article shouldnt have been written. no disrespect to the legend mr.dave wilson but there is no comparing a lot of these bloodlines and strains to a real pitbull. i own real pitbulls if u want a peek at one get at me. pingy_91@yahoo.com
Joel Andujar
What makes you a recognized breeder? Maintaining the legacy of a specific breed that another man bred, or contributing by making your own and getting the world to notice it and except the standard.
We are all forgeting that all breeds of dog regonized by registries today are made up of mixes of other breeds. Example the Dobermann Pinsher was bred by Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann. The breed is believed to have been created from several different breeds of dogs that had the characteristics that Dobermann was looking for, including the Pinscher, the Beauceron, the Rottweiler, the Thuringian Shepherd Dog, the black Greyhound, the Great Dane, the Weimaraner, the German Shorthaired Pointer, the Manchester Terrier and the old German Shepherd Dog. There are several registries that recognize Doberman Pinscher breed standard, AKC, UKC, FCI, CKC, SKC, WWKC, FIC. Another great dog bred but it took time and other breeds to make it happen. This is what breeding is all about.
Its gonna take ...
Joel Andujar
Its gonna take time before more registries except the American Bully and except the standard as well, thick bone structure, massive heads, short and wide. It's not the ultimate Pit Bull its the American Bully and thats it. This upsets Apbt breeders as well as American bully breeders. For now it is what it is.
fReD
NOT tHe ultimate pit bull!!! thank you! someone gets it! i was at the glen helen show this weekend 4-11-09 and i was pissed at the judge who looked to be 17 yrs old. as i watched the XXL class there were 8 to 10 dogs in the ring. the judge only looked at 2 of the dogs in the ring. he never even came within 10 feet of the rest of them. these people paid to enter these dogs in the show and didnt even get to show them!!! this is BULLS%=}T!!!!
D priceWise
Just finished our website for "www.starkennelz.com visit us there and leave us bully events dates etc .We attended Tucson Bully Fiesta in March , But have not seen in videos of it so far . Can you direct me ?
A & D Wise
Pit Bull Lover
The American Pit Bull Terrier & The American Bully are NOT the same kind of dogs. To call a AmBully a Pit Bull is basically lying. I say they should have their OWN registry separate from the APBT. The standards are not the same, these are not the same dogs.
MODUSLOKO:.
FOR SURE THIS IS GOING INTO THE BOOKS !!! IF THE AKC CAN OBVIOUSLY CREATE THEIR OWN TYPE OF DOG TO SATISFY THEIR OPINION ON A DOGS temperament..THIS "BULLY" BREED HAS EQUAL RIGHT TO BE KNOWN AS A PURE BRED...BECAUSE IT IS PURELY BRED FOR ITS LOOK AND TEMPERMANT..QUE NO???

IF ONE MAN CAN CREATE A CERTAIN DOG BREED WHY CANT ANOTHER MAN DO THE SAME???
IronHead
Why cant we just agree that the Pit is the main foundation of the American Bully, but an outcross to a bulldog,mastiff, or whatever was def done at some point for the size. I agree that they are spin offs of the oringinal pitbulls ,but it doesnt matter what your dog is registered AKC,UKC,ADBA,ABKC,CK
C....It is all based on the APBT. These guys just took it to the next level & are trying to better a breed with a bad wrap. I have Pits & Bullies...there's def a difference in appearance, but properly socialized they are fine together,no dog aggression,BUT A owner/breeder thats knows how to do it & what to look for & encourage can get any dog "turned on". Lab,Rott,Doberman....etc. The pitbulls & types tend to be more aggressive simply b/c thats what they were bred for. IT'S THE OWNER...NOT THE DOG!! Its kind of a cliche' but all the same its true. It takes a certain kind of person to properly own a "Bully Breed" in general. Theyre not called Bullies just for the hell of it...
IronHead
Why cant we just agree that the Pit is the main foundation of the American Bully, but an outcross to a bulldog,mastiff, or whatever was def done at some point for the size. I agree that they are spin offs of the oringinal pitbulls ,but it doesnt matter what your dog is registered AKC,UKC,ADBA,ABKC,CK
C.... It is all based on the APBT. These guys just took it to the next level & are trying to better a breed with a bad wrap. I have Pits & Bullies...there's def a difference in appearance, but properly socialized they are fine together,no dog aggression,BUT A owner/breeder thats knows how to do it & what to look for & encourage can get any dog "turned on". Lab,Rott,Doberman....etc. The pitbulls & types tend to be more aggressive simply b/c thats what they were bred for. IT'S THE OWNER...NOT THE DOG!! Its kind of a cliche' but all the same its true. It takes a certain kind of person to properly own a "Bully Breed" in general. Theyre not called Bullies just for the hell of i...
rebel_wolf_6969
it about time somebody set the hatter stright.i am new 2 the game put i have love the pitbull breed allmy life and now that. I am learning more about the bulley by doing my reserch. I now know that yes the bully breed did come from the org pitbull but it may be better then the org.Dont get me wroug i love the pitbull nice arc very infromative
alltheway
Why so anxious to make this breed so popular?

I hear words like "production" and wanting to make it popular the world over..

Why?

What's wrong with having a small, unique breed that is carefully kept and cherished...now, it's just another breed that EVERYONE has! I for one like something a little more unique. This breed has exploded in popularity, appealing to the masses, it's a "movement"...

Yuck -- the "movement", the "production" and sale to all the wrong people who care more about looking good to their friends than they do the DOGS...just yuck.

alltheway
Nunya
Hit the wrong button, as I was saying I have trained all of the bully lines and in my opinion the Razors Edge line has the less drive and will to do any type of training then any, so I respect the name change because they don't seem to have any of the Pit bull traits that I am accustomed to, I myself breed the ultimate working Bully Pit bull, still very stable with a natural protective instinct toward people. No hate to Edge the line is doing very well world wide and many love the American bullies I myself need a dog that will drop a man when he kicks my door in.
Erik S
The Science of Dogs. Man has change the dog over and over for years for what ever purpose he desired. Historically dogs were produced to work for man, but many were made just to make man look good. Before I got into papered dogs I worked with Banndogs for there temperament, size, loyalty and working ability. The APBT was created to cater to mans thirst for violence, his purpose became obsolete. HE HAD TO BE CHANGED. But some of the bullies I've seen have no purpose other than to feed mans ego as a status symbol. Some can not go through a basic training session without tiring. Working dogs NEED JOBS. I love the NEW BULLIES but they need jobs other than breeding and posing for pictures.
Nunya
I agree, but to each his own i guess I just think alot of people need to be educated on what they are getting into when they buy this bad looking bully with no ability what so ever, I do have some old school Edge females that have great drive but so much has changed since then, which was Daves goal to take the drive away so I guess he accomplished that, the driveless bully.
E.T
Ya'll cats writting these comments are super funny to me. especially you haters and know it all book readers. I ain't even gonna comment or debate about nothing. So I'll leave by saying who really cares about where they came from or bred either you're gonna support the movement/bully breed or not. We ain't banging these dogs, so why are ya'll creating unnecessary hostility,abouit something that no one can prove. There are all types of stories about the origin of this breed and pitbulls are so versatile and wide spread that all of these stories can be true. Before they started registering these dogs years and years ago you had hundreds of dogmen who bred these dogs in different ways according to what they like most with the intention of creating the ultimate gladiator...Let me stop .I said that I wasn't gonna comment. Ya'll can think what ya'll wanna I don't care. As for Edge dogs not having any drive, Dude you better shop around better yet check out my new website in 2010 wwww.jockbre...
killer from detroit
THEY FORGOT TO MENTION ALL THE MASTIFF BLOOD THAT'S BEEN WORKED INTO THE "BULLIES". THEY'RE NOT A SUB BREED OF PIT BULL OR AMSTAF, BULLIES ARE HYBRIDS OF MASTIFFS AND PITS/ AMSTAFFS.
Nunya
Whatever it is, Pitbulls for life, me don't want no pussy cat, I feel the same about the XXl's 140 lb pits, come on, pits are not known to have all these health issues, Hip displasia, poor respiratory? They need to change the name also if there not going to better our breed, bullier fine but a responsible breeder don't just breed for looks and size and forget about the health. Someone needs to stop and ask why are all these dogs dying from heat strokes when there's no heat and there just traveling from show to show and a lot of them are suppose to be the best of the best of stock? And all these Groupie followers are shelling out cheese to breed to these so called top studs, it's just carless to me but make your money I'm making mine get yours right?
CREDIT WHERE CREDITS DUE
REAL PIT BLOOD: redboy, jeep, jocko, bolio, alligator, snooty, midnight cowboy, eli, chinaman, mayday, sorells, crenshaw, wildside, boyles, toney, colby, tatonka, patrick, hemphill/wilder, sarona, bullyson, buck, carver, mayfield, boudreaux, snooty and so on!

AMERICAN BULLSHIT BLOOD: who knows? hippos i think!
Stepz
I like the article and I like the way Bullies look but Bullies are watered down there was alot of NEO mastiff and Dougue bordeaux mixing. Bullies had a name before yours it was "American Banddoge" writing out the and i qoute "Generic Backyard Pitbull" that had a part in what your dog is today wont protect you from BSL. Just being honest
Stepz
If all these Bully Breeders would just stop calling there dogs pitbulls then maybe the AKC, ADBA and whoever else will accept them but as long as you call them pitbulls they wont cause there not gonna change the standards for you. I give props to those who rep there dogs as "American Bullies" You should be proud of your dog no matter what breed it is just stop calling them pitbulls. If your dog got picked up for BSL I bet you wouldnt call them a pitbull then.
lilbucc
when is the next show down here in souther cali.
why do peole do this??
why do people get on here and talk bad about this article?? why do you enjoy the drama?? do enjoy talking bad about others 4 legged friends/family members do you like it when people talk about yours?? bully and game breeders need to stop fighting with each other we are fighting each other when we should be fighting for our breed! i like every style of pits game standard bully xl pocket whatever they are all beautiful in their own way. and about the Hip displasia somebody posted about uhhh yeah pits are subject to this it is in several of my books under health issues and no not my bully magazines that isnt what im talkin about im talking about my American Pit Bull Terrier books. We love our dogs and i have went head to head with several of people it just confuses me why we all here are going at each other seriously...
GAME TIME
THIS ARTICLE WAS REALLY WACK....GRANTED THAT THE ORIGINAL PIT DOGS WE OUT CROSSED WITH THE MASTIFFS OF OLD, THAT WAS 200 YEARS AGO....IF YOU ARE GOING TO WRIGHT ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF A BREED THAT YOU REPRESENT, TEN TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW THEY CAME ABOUT....DNT PUT IT OFF ON BREEDING A SORRY ASS AMSTAFF 2 A GAME BRED APBT....THATS WROMG, AND IT PISSES OF THE REAL DOGMEN AND WOMAN WHO HAVE BEEN BREEDING THE APBT 4 THE LAST 100 OR SO YEARS....BOTTOM LINE, CALL THE AM BULLY WHAT IT REALLY IS....A BIG FAT LAZY CURR DOG...THE ROUGHEST DOG OF THE BULLY BRED STYLE DOG(REMY) ACTS LIKE A HOT DOG, BUT IS JUST A CURR...KEEP THE REAL APBT APART FROM THE BULLY, AND THE READ PIT DOG PEOPLE WILL LEAVE YOU ALONE...IF NOT, THEN WE WILL KEEP ON "BULLY BASHING" UR BREED....UNTIL NEXT TIME, C U IN THE LEFT LANE!!!
BIG GAME TIME

P.S.
IF ANY OF YOU BULLY BRED OWNERS DONT LIKE WHAT IM SAYING, YOU CAN BRING YOUR BEST BULLY, AND ILL BRING MY WORST PIT DOG, AND WE CAN HANDLE IT FROM THERE!!
CAJUN RULE ...
Big Jonny
This breed has its good and its bad.I have been to a few shows and seen many beautiful dogs and many dogs that don't even match the ABKC standards. It amazes me that there are dogs that do not meet the standards but still win priz points such as best of show or 1st in its class etc. Many breeders have over done this dog or have breed crap into that can be dangerous to the future of the line. When did bowed legs,web feet and kinked tail become okay for prized dogs?? But don't get me wrong I have seen some beauties, I just think the ABKC should regulate/judge better. We have way to many ignorant money hungry kennels out there,just breeding and breeding and over charging for garbage. As for the APBT and AB it's the same thing just different name for insurance policies thats it! I've meet many people with standard APBT with ABKC papers. It the same thing and i think its get that they want to take the "pit" out of it to make a new clean view for the original loyal American Icon. Its...
Big Jonny
.. Its all politics with the name insurance,media and local government. But give thanks to those who breed correct and who are really saving the breed for our and there future. STOP THE MONEY HUNGRY IGNORANCE AND LEAVE THE WORK TO THE PRO'S THAT, LIVE AND BREATH THE BREED(APBT/AB). Big Jon PiTBULLY LOVER!
KASER43WICKEDPITS
It takes alot of personality, and dedication to own a bully, and or a pitbull. I dont think that dave wilson is calling the razors edge bloodline pitbulls. Thats just the way they are registered in the ukc, if you own a bully and dont have ukc certificate with the pedigree of your dog, and try to charge a stud fee for it, good luck. Thanks to the abkc for serving a purpose. THE AMERICAN BULLY KENNEL CLUB.....Pit bulls are great doggs, but the american bully is the shiiiiiiiiit. Deep down pit bull owners want their dog to be bullysize.
Henrythebrindle
The main difference between the bully dogs and the game bred pit bull is just that gameness, and that gameness is proven though tests established over hundreds of years. The staffordshire terrier of earlier years were actually pit bulls that were still retaining much of thier gameness because the breeders were not dreeding them for color ot head size. Though the many years of breeding bull and terriers the owners bred them tight and culled them hard, as well as required that they be stable animals with-in society. The reality is that the more you breed away from the orginal standards that require functionality, wind, agility, ability smarts, stamina, the ability to breathe with thier mouth closed and under the ultimate stress, and for hours if it happends to be that way.

I feel that the family of Tufftown, Tacoma, Oransby, Doyle, even the dogs that were directly of blu bully, Watch dog's big thor produced the type of dogs that could do it all,as many would win Westminister in the d...
lilbeast4850
i seen my frist reel bully and i can't describe that kind of dog is for me he the dog was from brick jungle kennels the name of it was ricochet i would like to know if the dogs are just naturely that big?
cali-way
lovin it. i JUST picked up my first bully.
bill lasane
I have 2 blues (razors edge) and they are "SHOW" dogs ! All of the fighting drive is missing, so if you buy these dogs to scrach DON'T do it they do not have the same traits as APBT's. I also breed pits so I know what im talking about, just enjoy them !
yeefto22
Enough said. I gotta 4 month bully and he is the most intelligent well behaving dog on the block. Not to mention the little boi is rocked up like the hulk!Atomic Dogg mag keep it pushin...
bullydanny
Does anyone know a website where I can get those spiked collars and harness?
bullydanny
Does anyone know a website where I can buy those skull bandana collars? or those spiked harness?
top dawg kennel
bully dogs can be real pits too my best friend has a paddington son he looks bully correct but he is one hundred pecent pit bull i asure u he is game as it gets some dogmen would be proud to own a dog as game as this dog .but haveing a game ass dog is a pain in the ass to show expecally when u go to a bully show and people forget what a real pitbull is and let there male get to close to him .as for the guys that are saying there is a diff from a game dog and a dog agresive dog i know the diff. this dog got into a yard scrape when he was young and when they pulled the 2 apart he had to have a blood transfusion to save his life he is in my deff dead game.this was an accedent he was not being fought i dont think anyones gonna pay the kind of money it takes to get a real re dog and fight it and when i say real re dog i mean one that dave bread not one someone that wants to sell pups tacs on to the name.
emanuel
ok bully owners u have to understand why apbt owners are mad come on there's so much controversy about the outcrossing to other breeds falsifying registration papers to keep bully's papered other than that i think bully's a nice looking dogs and game dog owners yes true apbt i hope ur not promoting dog fighting by making threat's to other dog owners i know some of u degenerates are posting on here ur not helping keep our breed alive with ur ignorant comments ive seen alot of u bums on the internet and youtube talking and bragging about how much u know about dog fighting u pathetic maggots how can u seem so concerned about ur dog and then five minutes later let another dog rips it's face off ya'll got some freakin issues and need to be euthanized immediately seems like ya'll are the real haters here i repect bully's and there owners but have none for dog fighters ya'll can twist it and sugarcoat it all u want but ya'll mo foe's r going to burn in hell suka's everybody know's what it's...
Cathy Wright
This video and the music is pretty expressive of the American Bully as perfect companion for kids, handicapped... our Razors Edge dog does it all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU6aKpFOzUE
Griff
Thanks for the info. More info needs to put out on the American Bully and how it's a different breed from the traditional game pitbull. Different military bases are cracking down on pitbull owners and making it illegal to own them on base. Being a Bully owner and a Military member this article was very important sourcde of info for thos who try to lable bullies at Pitbulls.
francisco toro
ive not yet heard it described any better than u have.its so hard to explain selective breeding to diehard oldschool breeders they all swear there bulldgs,and i tell em yeah weve brought out the bull types bred into pits then semi-exagerated them
Melissa
I am a huge PitBull fan,initially I leaned AKC/UKC registered but after losing my dog to cancer after nine yrs I went on the hunt for a new family member. I got an unregisterd ADBA male and he was a mess. I ended up returning him.I have had the pleasure of meeting alot of bully people and let me say this to the Dogmen on here, first, Your time is up, Pitting dogs against each other for your entertainment is a old sport and has no real purpose now. The media has torn this breed apart thanks to that history. The Amstaffs are nice but you never know what your gonna get till its about two. They tend to have more physical problems and the people who show them are snobs and all about money. The back yard pits are a huge problem and what ends up on the news. The Bullies are safe with your kids, and great infectious temperaments. They are not intended to replace your Game bred dog, but to show everyone how a big tough looking dog is just a big baby.They are still a Pit and let me tell you, you...
TROY
OWNERS, Lets NOT get our dogs involved in this BATTLE of the' TITANS. Just realize this, OUR Bullies are harmless and loved as family, But if it's a fight that you want, you'll get. Tell it to our faces in the real world....BET YOU'll GET SLAP'd SILLY before you even finish confronting us! LOL!!! But really, we would.

You see, we don't need a dog to protect us and OUR family, As BULLY owners, WE PROTECT-N-DEFEND FOR THEM! Not like most you weak punks standing behind your big aggresive dogs hoping for them to do "YOUR" duty as a man...LOL!!! It's the other way around now FOOLz, GET YOUR SHIT STRAIT! AND ALWAYS REMEMBER, THIS "QUOTE" HERE...CAME FROM THE MAN HIMSELF, D-TROY-T MI. COME FIND ME ON 6-MILE, I'LL BEWALKIN' MY BULLY!
javier
bullies have no hart no game just for show now pits are for work, pulling,fighting till the end thats the diffrence
Jason
Would you consider the Bully and diffrent breed than the APBT?
higbee_kennels
okay now when people ask me im going to say i breed american bullies we takin over
QUAZILAND PITS
TIMES R' CHANGING AND THE NEW IZZZ THE
TRUE AMERICAN BULLY"...ITS TIME FOR A BETTER BREED! BETTER STRUCTURE BETTER HEAD PEICE BETTER "TEMPERMENT"...IT IZZ WHAT IT IZZZ "THE AMERICAN BULLY BABY!!!
E-Dog
Bullies (PITBULL Mixes)Bandogs - the dog pound has been full of them for years.Pitbulls mixed with every kind of mastiff,american bulldog,english and french bulldog,English Staffordshire Bull Terriers,Presa's,Can
e Corso's,Dogo's and countless other breeds and papered as Pitbulls, now American Bullies.I personal know alot of these famous Bully breeders and weightpullers and know what got mixed in here and there.I personally like a hand full of well put together athletic Bullies(Pitbull Mixes)Mutts and wouldn't mind owning one or two of these Mutts.Call them what they are Pitbull mixes(MUTTS) papered as American Bullies.Have some common sense look at the bullies feet,all the slop in the neck and face,weird tails,ear cropped because they have mastiff ears as puppies.Please do your homework.Don't make me name names because I can.
bigrich
hello everyone i think theres a big diffence between the pit and the bully these so called bullys are just a bloated short version of a pit bull to me they look like short haired rotties the thing people must understand the pit bull is a med size dog lean muscular fit not on steriods these bullys give pit bull a bad image
bigrich
look its really easy bullys have only been around for 15 to 20 years the pit since the 1800 if i breed my pit with a american bulldog guess what i get a huge dog
Shark Terrier
The pitbull has to be the most inconsistent breed of dogs out there. So many different looks and sizes and all of them registered as pedigree. The fact is that having your dog papered has become more important than the actual look of the dog, and the only reason that has become important is for the price of selling puppies. Everyone needs to get off their high horses concerning the Bully Breed because the APBT lines are far from perfect. What I am concerned about however is what seems to be growing popularity of these dogs as accessories or status symbols. This happened to many different breeds, and attracted shallow owners to the detriment of many dogs. Calm down the hype and the marketing boys, and learn to look after your dogs and educate their owners.
j900skennels
I agree with,ZACK,TERI,PITma
n,GAME2DBONE,POLYINL
BC.
Now I"ve read ANONYMOUS an I think that the bully breed has made its way into the main streem. The truth is they are two different breeds breed for differnet purposes. Now a days people see a PIt an say that's a small pit, they say that because they use to seeing a bully. I am proud of the bully breed but they are taking the pitbull name.. Bully breeders need to start calling their breeds Bully, not pits. IF BULLY BREEDERS ARE MAKING THEIR WAY TO FAM, THEN THEY NEED TO FACE REALITY an set the record ST8..... IF You BREED BULLIES CLAIM YOUR BREED... BUT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, THEY WILL NOT GIVE UP THE PITBULL NAME...

P.S. I'M NO HATER, I HAVE GOTTI AN GAME IN MY YARD...I MAKE MONEY OFF BOTH..
GAME OVER KENNELS
Much props to organazations and people who are all about giving the Bully the rep. it deserves! we need your help out here in Denver,CO.and aurora to over throw these restricted breed laws! holla at ya boi martin @ bigtekone@yahoo.com
tera267
all right im glad ur admiting they aint pure pits now razors edge,but why ddoes ur website still claim they are???even tho uv admited thea not which is pretty misinforming and fucked up as ur hurting the apbt breed and people every where are thinking bullies are pits,i agree with j900skennels its time to start calling ur breed by its true name,i have nothing against ur dogs as alot are beautiful animals but im against destroying breeds and by claiming ur dogs are pure pit and u did do that is really messed up....and its obviuos some of ur gotti dogs have bulldog in thea some wea so they aint just am staff pit mix some a those gotti dogs could pass for english bulldogs EASY.anyway no hate just get ur shit together guys and stop misinforming people of what ur breeding,then u can be happy with ur own lovely breed without living in the shadow of another whilst destroying its bloodline :D
QUAZILAND PITS
ALL BULLY HATERZZZ.....!

Check it"...It took other breeds to make
pitbull's"..Your'...1800's fighting "GAME" pitbull that is.Hey!!
we dont live in da ice age no more"..Its
not about fight's and bet$ to gamble and strike it rich"..Thats over with that was the only reason the APBT was around 4'.We 'r' not destroying the bloodline its evolving the bloodline to a better level"THE AMERICAN BULLY LEVEL"...
Frank
hey quaziland why are you tryn to diss on the original APBT?
eloheem
the bully is like the dumb big guy on the football team, only good for one thing! if those things dont die from bloat they die from heat stroke! in other words bullys are stupid and fat, they have no heart and they will never replace the original APBT.
E-Dog
I agree w/eloheem.I'm not a bully hater,there are some nice bullies out there.But for the most part the bully is a very non functional dog similar to the english bulldog of today.I went to the bully show at the shrine in 2008,a nice 70 degree day and the bullies where almost dying,slobbering like they ran a marathon and I also went to a bully show at glenn helen, outside on a very cold day same thing.The vast majority of the bullies are not functional,very overweight dogs,at least get them to the proper weight that fits their frame. And drop the pitbull name,there bandogs not even close to being a pitbull,I own a bully and I love the dog, but its not a pitbull, that's for sure.
tera267
quaziland you obviously dont know shit about the pitbull bloodline and geneticaly how to breed dogs properly so take a hike...if u call making pitbulls overweight and predispostioned to breathing problems and taking away its main attribute which is agility by creating bullys well ur just an ignorant toos pot and shouldnt have any say as ur purely an amateur back yard breeder...true pitbulls were created by selecting various dogs to make them but by doing that to a pitbull with other breeds and mixing your actually creating a whole differnt breed as pitbulls are actually a breed certified now and no longer are crossed too create,so your just cross breeding off pitbulls to create somthing else...WISE UP and read a book or some shit because your purely a disgrace to the pitbull breed especially saying shit like ur evolving it???lmfao are you hearing yourself jerk...be proud of ur dog by all means BUT dont ever tell anyone what u have is pitbull just because it has pitbull blood in it...th...
tera267
its all about keeping the real pitbull blood strong not crossing it ...if your a real pitbull lover youd feel the same...which means if your crossing dont call ur dog a pitt call it a pitbull cross..aittteee
QUAZILAND PITS
Hey aint dissing da breed PEEPS".I Just laid some FACTS..I LOVE the O.G and New Skool'...APBT Been around for a long time.Tera suck it up' save some money to get a real pit.you probably got a pit
from the penny saver and thats all you could get!..u said it your self pitbull got crossed with other breeds!to get what its real purpose needed quickness agility and POWER.....NO MATTER WHAT
I LOVE THIS BREED".OR BREEDS!OOOH and tera dont even use big words that dont
fit inn wit ya! like agility you know you dont walk your pit every other day"..in fact you probably "NEED A HIKE'..TO run your Haterizm oFFF"...lol
eloheem
what up E-dog thanks bro real recognized real!!! and for quazy i will bet a c-note that teras dog will run your dog into the ground no matter what she paid for it! your wack quazzy and i feel bad for your dogs its not there fault some hoodrich breeder just wanted to make a quick buck. oh! and agility ? are you serous how big of a word is it! its just something your fat dog does not have its truley not that big of a word. quit hateing on the APBT cause if it werent for them you pussys would probly be raising a fucking cat!
eloheem
when i say "run your dog into the ground" i mean a running match not any of this fighting bullshit. keep it pitty baby!
tera267
dont make me laugh quazi...big words???ohh now ur being a hater because i actually have knowledge and dont feel the need to create words like some lil george bush wanabe lol haterism???wtf son hahhahahahaah and respect to eloheem and e dog these dudes obviously know about the real breed of pitbull . and im a dude lmao @ elo haha but all good man. i breed real pitbulls,as u probli dont know in new zealand we have some real f'in tight lines from importing pits here back in the day and real breeders here wont even scatter breed...ur so called pits aint fucking with stonewall/jackson lines or plumbers gator,not to mention we got some heavy ass big red and nelis lines here and some mad strong jeeps thatl put your muts to shame in the show ring...new skool ???dont play urself g il put it in laemens terms for ya YOUR DOGS AINT TRUE PITBULLS thea cross breeds.stick to talking your back yard breeder b.s as ul never know the true meaning of what its like to breed real apbts..lol phuckin amat...
tera267
and kido quazi...if u wanna pay 2500 for a mut go ahead ,its not what u pay its what youv got ...its bloodline or nothing
tera267
ooo and quazi..how about you email me ur 6 gen papers or dont you even have those ??nah u dont coz ur dogs a cross breed...i dont hate ur bully breed i like some of them but they aint pitbulls so get over it
E-DOG
Anyone seen the shorty bulls?Next your going to tell us that it was generation after generation of selective breeding of small pitbulls to produce the shorty bull!!!! It's all just ignorance,ignorant backyard breeders that are truly ignorant of the real deal,APBT.The shorty bull is a french bulldog or boston terrier w/ a pitbull ear crop.YOU FOOLS want to breed MUTTS and make $2500 a MUTT puppy,go head.JUST DROP THE NAME PITBULL.The Bully and shorty bulls and whatever comes next is for the completely ignorant,ignorant of the REAL AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIER-the REAL DEAL.
QUAZILAND PITS
LAST WORD MISS TERA'..LMFAO:)
NO WONDER STICK TO YOUR NEW ZEALAND
PITBULL/SHIP DOGG BREED.!!.TIP " STOP READING YOUR BOOK FOR DUMMIES.LOL.
YOU WANNABE APBT BREEDER..GET OUT YA
MAMMAZ HOUSE FIRST..
LIKE THEY SAY IN THE USA!
QUALITY IZZZ PRICELESSSS...U MUTT!
BUT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW BOUT DAT...

an azz 4 dem' wack ass HATERZZ"...

ME LA PELAN', MAMMONES'..HAHAHAHA

KEEP IT BULLY BABY"....ALL DAY!!!
IM OUT LOSERZZZZ...
aprildawn harrison
hey whats up my name is aprildawn im lookin for a good pitbull puppy for my kids i have low income but got a good home for a pitbull puppy my kids love pits so if u could help me out on findin a pit puppy at a decent price ill be very interested in one thanks and please let me know eihter way...
E-DOG
Tera-I got this for you.
To Quaziland MUTTS,
Quazi you exemplify the total ignorance of the bully enthusiast.You can't even articulate a decent response to Tera's legitimate questions,especially
in response to a six generation pedigree,because you dogs are cross breed to who knows what.
Juggalo 4 life
fuck bullys worless breed The Original Breed Is Beter APBT bitches Is the gamness not the look
Juggalo 4 life
I have a PitBull and i will always own one NO bullys allowed Mada Fakuz ..!.. FTFO
tera267
lmfao e-og u said exactly what i wanted to say in a reply :D hahah the man great minds bro great minds huh . quazi im over chatting to you because dropping the ship line comment just made me lmfao ....where do u think pitbulls came from u ignorant phuck?? they were imported to america from places like ireland ,where do you think red noses came from ??old family fuckin reds mate and the first were imported by a irish boxer that went to the states.lol what a chump
tera267
sorry i ment e dog not e og..typo
tera267
quazi's just a talk trash no nothing except back yard breeder kinda talker who probli dropped outta school at 6. and you always talking about get outta your mamas house this and that shit???wtf dude your obsessed with a topic which im pritty sure determines your the one still livig off your parents u man child lol PEACES..o and by the way im still waiting on those 6 generation pepers for your mutt cuz
tera267
here quazi i copy and pasted this just for you and the rest of of ignorant bully breeders that call ya dogs apbts lmao when they aint...ENJOY. Unfortunately over the last 15 years or so, breeders with no actual knowledge have taken the pit bull to height and weight limits that are not acceptable in the bull dog world, meaning they are not real pure bred American Pit Bull Terriers of the standard they were meant to be. In fact it is my opinion that these hugely over done Hybrid (to what I'm not sure, if you want an Old English Bulldog then get a real one) pit bulls that are not pure bred, but are bred merely from bigger is better mentality. They are ruining a wonderful and courageous breed and should be called something else for they are not pit bulls any longer. A real APBT should be athletic, structurally sound and poses a solid temperament as they were bred and used for many working aspects and were family pets. If you see a pit bull that has a huge body, head and 4 inch legs that ca...
tera267
cont..Keep in mind when you are searching the internet that there are over 2 million Pit Bull websites that call themselves breeders. The majority of these breeders do not have a clue, they think bigger is better and are boasting these 100 plus lb rare blue dogs, I would bet money that they are cross bred with another breed to get that size. Here is a hint blue dogs are not rare! But a real Pit bull over 100lbs is. What is becoming rare is pure bred Pit Bulls at the standard size and weight. Unless breeders are breeding for specific sports such as weight pull. In this day and age there are 4 different types of American Pit Bull Terrier's and some of questionable heritage make sure you buy a several generations DNA tested dog whatever your type or likes are. I also recommend you do not buy a dog from breeders that have been in this breed less then 15 or 20 years, based on breeders I have watched use this breed for their lack of individuality and basic ego boost.

1st: Type: Original A...
tera267
cont...1st: Type: Original American Pit bull Terrier registered with UKC/ADBA brought into this country from Ireland and England in the late 1800's

2nd: Type: American Staffordshire Terrier which were a few select Pit Bulls crossed over into AKC registry in 1930's and the name changed

3rd: Type: American Pit Bull Terriers bred to American Staffordshire Terrier's also known as POS (Pit or Staff) registered with UKC/ADBA

4th: Type: Bullies which are bred from various bull dog breeds and the terrier has been left behind, these are no longer considered purebred American Pit Bull Terrier's, although they have been registered with UKC/ADBA/AKC. It is in my opinion that these MUTATIONS are a fad and when people realize exactly what they are NOT an APBT, and the health issues and short life spans that come with these dogs, they will stop breeding and buying them.
tera267
thanks to caragan kennel for that borrowed info :D peep there kennels they got real apbts..isnt it sad when you type in pitbull kennels on the net you get bullys which are x breed muts and nothing like real apbts???sad indeed
eloheem
thanks tera for setting this shit stright,now its just a matter of weather these fools can read or not! big ups!
E-Dog
Tera,
Couldn't of said it better myself.
bk
bullies are not pit bulls....do not even try to compare them...bullies obviously are crossed with mastiffs or some other wrinkly ugly dogs...stick to real apbts
Sincere
Your article was very imformitive thank you ever so much. I've done my share of research or what I thought was research in regards to the breed. Little did I know how uneducated my educated tail was lol. I have read the many post and arguements over APBT and Bullies oh my there is such a difference so much that I have saved my pennies so to speak to make sure I got what I paid for. My fiancee and i are now the proud ( I like to say parents ) of a beautiful blue razor's edge bullie named Midnight Rage. The funny thing is bullies look so massive and manly so to speak I wanted a "hard" name on his papers when I really should have named him Mr. Cuddles or Prince Charming. He will lay up under us all day long but the moment a child enters the room he forgets all about us and heads strait to them. I've never seen anything sweeter. I guess this missive is my way of saying thank you for eliminating the bad atributes and not mutaing as some foolish female called it but exzibiting the fi...
jim
Mastiff x Old English Bulldog x Pitbull = AM. Bully (Nuff said)
Ken
THE "PIT BULLY" IS NOT, I SAY AGAIN IS Not AN APBT(AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIER)ONLY REGISTER BY THE (ADBA). These dogs where created by BSL to be linebred and/or outbreed to the APBT in order to outcross the dog enough as to bring into the MASS extinction of the species of the American GAME BRED APBT's of OLD with a rapid and swift effectiveness. This is why Hybrid dogs have become so popular within the UNITED STATES and have not been targeted but have been popularized and condoned by BSL. Everone please do more reseach and stop fighting amongst each other do more research before purchasing an American Bully Pit and breeding into your original ADBA BLOODLINES. Bullys are great dogs but are not pitbulls and should not be breed or purchased for breeding to APBT's This is a hybrid created to destroy the dogs we have all grown to now and love troughout history and generations. The PITBULL will be the next dog to be extinct due to the law that is effectively working on todays youth an...
Ken
Also look up Hawain Poi-Dog another bsl victim.
Ken
These dogs were cross-bred with other breeds to create the Retrievers.
Ken
DO-NOT DESTROY A PART OF THE AMERICAN HISTORY.
tera267
i agree SOME bullys are really nice dogs but thea in no way or form apbts just because they have it in thea blood..im happy for you sincere u found a new loving addition to your family :D i dont hate any breed of dog i love dogs lots in general i just hate ignorant frauds and know nothing hustler type back yard breeders thats all.WISE UP and stop ripping off innocent people with false claims ..i just want them ignorant kennels to your dogs are am bullys not pitbulls
Loko
Yo people with the info's in pits. U say the bully's are mix breeds because them are to heavy. Take a look at Colby's dogs . Wf, first know Colby winner (24 w) it was a 78 LBS. So is not so hard to add 50 more Lbs in all this years . Is about knolodge and offcourse a lot of luck :)
E-Dog
Loko,
Your not too bright are you!
Put a Colby APBT next to a Bully dog (MUTT) and do a side by side comparison. The bully has the big mastiff feet,excessive skin on the face and neck,big mastiff ears,bow legged front legs or cow hocked rear legs,big thick tails usually set wrong or sometimes cork screw tails,eye and eyelid problems and I could go on and on if needed,Hey genius type the word Bandog in your computer and take a good look.Do your homework.
tera267
loko ur right about colbys dog being that size but it would of looked nothing like a am bully straight up uv gotta know that???razors edge already admited to x breeding to create his dogs so its all over for the "its a pitty not a mix" theory
gwgarcia
Does anyone out there have pics or videos of the show done in Pueblo, CO in July of '08? Email me at guillwill@hotmail.com
Hyro
I have a Gottie Line Razor edge and he was the runt of the litter so he is not that big .. IS he consider a bully or a pit?
tera267
ur dogs a american bully definetly not a pit
Loko
Got ya E Dog. So ..I'm stupid and you are smart...Been there ,done that. So my homie,first Colby dog i talk is in 1907. Colby breed his dogs by performance not by stats or peds. But if u will breed to obtain bigger and bigger dogs,there is a chance. I call this (but u know i'm stupid),genetic manipulation. U tell me about east-west feet ? Have u notice some of biggest WCh in game history have that ? U tell me about a lot of skin? Damn bro u know somenthing about pits ? Them have to be with a lot of skin on them to stand a chance.
I will ask somenthing , u have notice the diffrence betwin people in same race (caucasian,black,yel
oow,etc),not species. The tall ones with hair are people and the small one and witout hair are chimps/human breedings ?
Man is simple. Take a ped and then pay for a DNA test and pay for;it. In other words,put your money where your mouth is . Is simple to talk bullshit and let people belive that muts shit. I dont say all of them are pure breed,but bro,this is ...
E-DOG
Loko,
YOU REALLY ARE STUPID!!!!!
Loko
E dog, i know that. Every want to be dogman tell me that. But is simple bro. U will putt your money down to run some testes on some dogs ? Or is simple when we talk ?
E-DOG
Loko,
You want to talk to me,come talk!
I run my dogs saturday morning at City Terrace Park on HAZARD ST. about 6:00am.
Roll deep, lil homie!
Loko
Edog is hard to do that man. I'm on the mother fucking european side bro. But u can meet me in here . And why to talk , i dont talk bro . Talking is for girls. Now serios, all i say is , not all this dogs are muts and some have the look, and the right ancestors. And to be 100 honest,i'm on the xl side .
E-Dog
Loko,
You brought up lets talk.When I said lets talk,I meant PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!!
And I am a woman E-DOG,E for Erica.
To bad your in Europe,so you say!.
This is my last rsponse to your stupid ass!
Out.
cheryl
Hi this is Cheryl Caragan, Wow you bully folks have the marketing down. I am happy to hear you are distinguishing your dogs as a separate breed entirely.
I just wished Mr Wilson had been honest to begin with when he outcrossed into other breeds and hung papers on these bullys.

As a real APBT breeder for 30 years it really irks me that some of my dogs 3rd and 4th generation ancestors are on Gotti pedigrees and these dogs look nothing like my dogs what so ever. I say DNA anyone proof of parentage mean anything?

I appreciate that people like what they like. However you could have registered your bandogs Bully's as such to begin with, after a period of time, setting an actual breed type and standard, most registries would have acknowledged your dogs as such. This would have been the honest man's way of creating a breed.

Now what I see , you have a bunch of renegade breeders, slamming ENGLISH BULLDOGS into the mix. Your breed type is all over the place, no consistency, deformed unhealth...
E-DOG
Finally another dog lady with some wisedom,I have seen your dogs and they are the real deal,American Pitbull Terriers.
Cheryl have you seen the shorty bulls,french bulldog-boston terriers types w/pitbull ear crops.Things are getting ridiculous in the bully world,different strokes for different folks but at least be real and honest about your breedings, Bandogs,pitbull mutts of all kinds,leave the American pitbull terrier name out of your equation.
Yoel
Bullies are bull shit. The AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER is the only dog that matters. These dogs can't walk 100 feet without getting tired.
GamepitDee
There's a huge difference between the AmBully and the ApBT and should be registered as such. BUT no matter how we (bulldog lovers) look at it, ignorant mainstream society will ALWAYS lump our breeds together. We will always be effected by BSL's and groups like PETA.
Old Red English Bulldogs Assoc
These dogs are not APBT aka American Pit Bull Terrier, English Bull Terrier, Staff Bull Terrier or AmStaff. These dogs are in breed by its self.

I really tried of false Ads all the round I want real APBT with real Bloodlines Old School the Original.


These Dogs are great dogs to be call American Bully Terrier because that is what they should be call. Real Old Timers like me known the truth. I love all Bulldogs and Mastiffs breed. We help Breeders, Young people to get off the street and we also help OREBA Prison Dog Training Programs. The Truth will set you free.

Sincerely
Old Red English Bulldogs Association Inc
Http://www.OREBARegistry.com
Terry C - NJ
These beautiful dogs get a bad rap because there are idiots out there who are trying to make up for their lack of a certain something by teaching dogs to be killers.

We need stricter penalties for these dog fighters.
Anonymous
my great grand father sold dogs in north carolina at flea markets and such,he sold to dog men and for house pets alike,these beagle body,beach ball headed things, is what he tried to breed out old timers call em a cur, they are all looks and no heart,times have changed since then,come to think of it he also sold alot of ur grand parents too,but im sure u young fellas know it all
italian
Awesome Dogs!! Where can I find one in Ventura County,Ca.
kingsblues.webs.com
WE ALL KNOW BULLIES ARE AWESOME, BUT THEIR ALWAYS GOING TO BE HATERS. AS FOR ME IM TRING TO CREATE ABLOOD OF THE BIGGEST BADDEST PITS, WHILE STILL HAVING GAMENESS, MY FOUNDATION MALE IS 100 LBS. AT 10 MONTHS MY FEMALE IS 80 LBS. AT 8 MONTHS. THE BREEDER I BOUGHT THEM COULDNT BELIEVE HOW LARGE AND BEAUTIFUL MY DOGS ARE, SO I GOT THE FOUNDATION IM JUST GOING TO KEEP BREEDING KINGS BLUES BLOOD LINE TILL ALL WORLD KNOWS........KINGSBLUES.WEBS.COM
firesnake
interesting site, i have two american pitbull terriers and i really dont think i would trade either of them for a hybred. they are pretty cool to look at but i dont believe they can work like a apbt. both of mine are therapy dogs and are used to educate. i am a certified trainer and i use both of mine to teach people about the proper handling of dogs. my dogs work up to 8 hours a day, a hybred could not even come close to having that much staying power. they look cool and are big and bulky, but to function as a working dog is a joke. from what i see by the comments on here is that the majority of the people supporting these dogs are of poor education and follow a lame hip hop culture that promotes a look rather than a function. im not saying mine are better than anyone else's but they serve a purpose, they are not walked around with a chain and spiked collar or with cropped ears to look like a menice. i believe the hybreds were created bigger and bulkier because of the main target of t...
darthvapor
I'd like to know who owns the big blue dog in this article. Anyone know? If so pass one the information to me.
Real Pitbull Lover
Pit vs Bully is joke, it cracks me up when these bully breeders call themselfs old school breeders they dont know the first thing about old school...
come on man anyone with a good eye can see those bullys got something else in them, oldie bulldoggie,english bulldog, american bulldog, the only reason they made bully dogs is so everyone can be a winner you dont have to do "anything" but buy a leash and get your dog as fat as you can...and the way there bilt thats not hard to do.. there cool looking dogs but dont call them PITBULLS, call them what they are Bully Bulldogs, I could respect that...
Old School what a joke !!!!!!
at least dave wilson came clean and said razors edge was not full blood
everyone with real pits laugh when they hear, bones for days ,correct, and big dome, if you think those dogs have drive you dont have clue what drive is, turn one of those bully loose on a wild hog and the only drive you will see is them cashing out and running for there life, there l...
bullyscd
I LOVE PITS ... BUT THE BULLY STYLE LOOK REALY NICE I'VE 2 BULLYS NOW .....
THANKS ATOMIC DOGG FOR THE INFORMATION....
Loko
Yo E Dog,

Now u really start me on girl. Lets meet .... It will be a winner for sure .
I can show u a 120 LBS pure selected dog from showdogs and gamedogs. U know in Europe our dogs are a litlle bigger and because USA is far we dont mix them with dogs from there.
So if is possible in here i belive the people from there are doing same.
CORETTIA
i am a breeder of the game dogs myself i have jeep redboy bullison and buedrou bloodlines i really enjoy reading and learning from your web site and love the look of the bullies ! i am also glad to see that my pitts do not the bad rap from you guys ! to me it is not the breed it si the raising and teaching of the owner that makes the pit bull get the bad name that it does ! if you are gonna own one of these large powerful very intelligent creatures you have to be responsilbe !!
Loko
There is a interview with Floyd and Dave. Search on youtube :
"Giving back to the bullys 2009 part 2"

If a breeder like him is in there talking about bullys that is more important for me like a 10 or 20 years exeperience pitbull breeder like the ones talking bullshit in here. So cut this cheap chat and give to my boys some peace to work in silence.
Bully Haters / Curs/Sloppy Joe
LOL.... I promise you Mr. Floyd would'nt have anything to do with a bully unless his probation officer made him.. he is a REAL old school dogman he does'nt have time for bully curs...
quit callin these curs "Pitbulls"
wake up ..get real...its a Joke !!
the real pitbull people are laughing
Chris
Just picked up a 100% Razors Edge pup this past weekend. thanks Dave for such a great dog. me personally, I have grown so fond of the bully breed that the APBT doesn't look right to me anymore. Don;t get me wrong, you can find obese and overdone dogs in every breed but, as a whole, AmBullys are the best...
tyson
if u ask me the bully and the pit bull are the same dog to me cuz the pit is where the bully blood line came from even if its changed a lil there still the same breed in my book but thats just what is think cuz i love the pitbull breeds :)
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JD, SLC
I read "Real Pitbull Lover"s statement; right on the money! I believe in game-breeding; that is still one of the best ways of telling just how genuine your "pitbull" is. I agree with those who like the looks of "Bully"s, but in my mind they are barkin up the wrong tree. Pitbull Terriers have an illustrious past that includes chivalry, loyalty, and bravery. They DO NOT QUIT! Bullys are cool, but there is something to be said about a dog that you KNOW is the toughest on the block. But remember, you need to know just what you have before you get too cocky. And from what I have read, the only to know is through testing. Sorry guy/girls, just my opinion. Not an advocate for "testing", but I do believe that it will tell you how genuine your best friend really is.
JD, SLC
Tyson, I love ya man but you need to study up bro. There is hundreds of years of perfecting a body type that is as efficient as possible. They were bred for speed, and agility; Bullys are way too big to belong in this category. They are AWESOME dogs! Looking at them may lead you to believe that they are twice the gladiator a pitbull terrier is. They are just too big; believe it or not that can be a huge handicap from what I have read. No disrespect Tyson, you are on the website so that says you love the dogs, but if you ever have any time, "The World of the American Pitbull Terrier" (Richard F. Stratton)will clear up any and all of your misconceptions. Have a good one buddy.
Eclectic Kennels
Yes times have changed. It was good to see pokemon taking over the bully world. We have recently purchase one of his two time pokemon pups and she is turning out fabulously. I can wait to see how she looks in the future.
mark
whats up .how are u doing today? fine i hope . just to let u know i like the good moves u play in . i am looking at ur dogs that u have just what to lnow do u do out side breeding or still breed let me know please ur friend mark
K. J.
This is an excellent article on the "pit bull". Genetically, the APBT, Am Staff, and American Bully are the same breed. No other breed has been introduced to differentiate them genetically. But what is really the definition of "breed" today? Today it seems to come down to the breed standard rather than genetics. The AKC, UKC, ADBA, and the ABKC all have slightly different breed standards, so maybe there are four different breeds even though the UKC and ADBA call them APBT's. Regardless, the breed or breeds are wonderful dogs, not monsters.
M.J.
I am GLAD that Bullies and APBT's are known as different types/strains, whatever you want to call it...because they ARE different. We as APBT lovers should support the Bully as a separate breed, kind of like some other breeds have introduced a little here, a little there, but are basically the same breed with just a bit of difference to them. I just hate when the 2 are lumped together and when people ask me about my APBT, they are confused because of the Bully phase that is going on these days, they think all "pitbulls" look like Bullies. We ALL need to educate the people and the media about our two great strains.
tera267
bullys arent the same as pits gentically,maybe similar as pitsare where thea foundation blood comes from but they had other breeds introduced,then watered out by breeding the offspring bac to pitbulls to bring back the look.you want to know what a real pitbull looks like???why not look up stp's gr ch buckor patricks dogs,taylor's dog's emery's dogs sorrell's dog'sREAL jeep/redboy dogs colby dog's and so on...those are pits people
Old White Broad
Love the bullies, love the pits, hate the fucking lowlifes that STILL want to fight these magnificent dogs. All I have is pits and I LIVE for them. Those who fight them deserve to be put in the pit with a few who aren't so people friendly. Thank you for promoting the breed and all their good qualities.
CL
I agree, Old White Broad. I love my APBT, but all these fake ass tough guys wanting to let others do their fighting, all due to their psychological issues, gets me pissed.

I know there's plenty of people who love their dogs as their best friends, but there's always the ignorant few who follow to look tough. Followers are a sad bunch of fools.
Rolla C. Brown
I am an old school Pitbull kind of girl. Give me a game bred Frisco or Jeep dog anyday. Time will tell what kind of genetic problems Bully dogs will have. That "everyday backyard Pitbull" as you called them is and will always be the only true American Pitbull Terrier!!
tera267
thats real talk rolla :D
Michele
Real Pitbull Lover is right on the money.
AD
I am not sure were you get your information from, but the pit bull was not created for dog fighting. You are only adding to the misperception that the public has for the breed. They were originally called RAT Terriers as they were used in rat killing competitions. After that they were used in BULL bating. There notoriaty for Fighting was not pushed into the limelight untill they got the the U.S.A. Please get your research right before bashing this breed. As much as i am sure you would like to seperate the AMSTAFF APBT AND BULLY,the reality is they are all still pitbulls that come from the same bloodlines!!!!
joe
these new "bully breeds" are taking away from what a true pit bull is supposed to be! They shouldn't even be allowed to all them pits. breeders should be breeding for temperment and confirmation. john colby is probably turning in his grave
pj
from fla, check out the eli cross with red devils its hot
Darlene (Dee)
FINALLY... the Breed is getting the recognition that has been a long time coming and is definitely DESERVED!!! There are so many Ignorant people out there still that label Pits w/ the "Bad Dog" label. My parents were in that category until I brought home my Rednose"Sugar"15 years ago(R.I.P)- now they defend the Breed. so many people have said to me... u trust those dogs w/ your children? My response is always this.I trust my dogs before I trust any Human around my kids. so thanks again AtomicDogg for repesenting the Breed!!
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